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Ron Paul before the Iraq war. Wise man see. Fools Rush in. I

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Ron Paul on Now With Bill Moyers - October 4, 2002 - Part I

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why? ( 1 month ago by szililolabu)

why?

The fact that the ... ( 1 month ago by InsurrectionaryAct)

The fact that the number of people it kills every year is how many it took Stalin to his whole life?

They're not ... ( 1 month ago by InsurrectionaryAct)

They're not socialists gotdamnit! They're bad, and evil, but they sure as hell are not socialists.

Huh?! What's wrong ... ( 1 month ago by darkentity88)

Huh?! What's wrong Capitalism?

I don't understand ... ( 1 month ago by szililolabu)

I don't understand how capitalism kills people. Would you tell me?

You see, industries ... ( 1 month ago by InsurrectionaryAct)

You see, industries overseas belong to private interests. Were the nationalized, the people would be far better off. Furthermore, it exploits people. "They talk about the failure of capitalism, but where is the success of capitalist in Haiti, Latin America, Asia and Africa?"-Fidel Castro.

I don't understand ... ( 1 month ago by ShadowOfKane)

I don't understand why anyone would say the capitalist system is ruined if we haven't really had pure capitalism.

Let's discuss this. ... ( 1 month ago by szililolabu)

Let's discuss this.
Nationalization means something is owned by the gov't, not by the people necessarily. Would you agree? 2. Why is gov't ownership better than private? 3. Please answer my original Q:
You stated capitalism kills people.
I asked why. You kinda touched on it, but not really.
Can you answer the question?

if those particular ... ( 1 month ago by InsurrectionaryAct)

if those particular industries in those particular places had been nationalized, i believe the people had to have been at least a little better. However, perhaps i worded that wrong, i meant publicized, belonging to the people. and perhaps it isn't Capitalism that's wrong, but aspects of the system that governs the world that need to be changed, which Paul i don't think opposes. (Although i do believe that Paul would have been a lot better for the world as president.)

But the key word is ... ( 1 month ago by szililolabu)

But the key word is "believe" in your statement. I have lived half my life in a socialist country and people were not better off, but worse off. Are you interested in fact or living in a dream? Specifically the gov't owned co.s polluted rivers and exploited people like you have not yet seen here in the US.
Please answer question 2. You still have not said anything more than you believe nationalized co.s are better than privately held ones.

I have lived my ... ( 1 month ago by AndersFriedrichsen)

I have lived my entire life in a socialist democracy, and I can't wait to get out. The reason some people believe socialism is better is that people don't exploit other people, as a company owner would with his employees. But it is bull**** Instead of the welfare going to the people, It goes in to a corrupt system set in place to make it swell for a tiny political elite

yeah people don't ... ( 1 month ago by szililolabu)

yeah people don't exploit each other through co.s but through the government in the form of taxes, forced participation in social programs, and a drastic reduction in the wealth of everyone across the board. no thanks!

woot ron paul ... ( 1 month ago by Sabradin)

woot ron paul traditional conservatism

Thank you shadow. ... ( 4 weeks ago by nowayjose470)

Thank you shadow. Since 1913 we've had a centrally planned economy.

"how capitalism ... ( 3 weeks ago by prosvjeta)

"how capitalism kills people" capitalism is just one of the children of monetarism. monetarism itself isn't sustainable and has to crash every 25 to 40 years and produces lot of wars. why? - fractional reserve banking (money creation) - perpetuate urge for new debitors, cos money=debt! - and most improtant! mechanics of interest (that means how interests shuffles the money from 90% of the people to the 10%) distinguish here: interest-earnings from interest-charges. watch zeitgeist adddendum!

pardon! that means ... ( 3 weeks ago by prosvjeta)

pardon! that means how interests SUCK IN the money from 90% of people to the richest 10%

I am supporting ... ( 3 weeks ago by szililolabu)

I am supporting free market trade. Maybe you define capitalism as something different from that, in which case i agree with you. First good answer i've gotten. The rest was just wishful thinking and Che Guevara idealists.
But the basic idea that you save, you build capital, you create wealth, i see nothing wrong with! But do we agree that the ills you have mentioned are the result of gov't intervention not unfettered free markets?

"...you save, you ... ( 3 weeks ago by prosvjeta)

"...you save, you build capital, you create wealth, i see nothing wrong with!..." i have nothing against it, but it is not the end of the story. you've described the part of capitalist system which is called "real economy" (those are god guys). but in capitalism there is one (private) participant (central bank) who has the authority to provide the system with something you need to exchange goods and services, which is called money, so they have a god-like position ....

and at the end ... ( 3 weeks ago by prosvjeta)

and at the end those guys win, acquire everything (state institutions, gov., media, churches, food) and deprive you all of your property. you need to learn about "money mechanics" to ... see how pointless it is to discuss about communism and capitalism, 'cos they are both children of monetarismus (the main difference is: who decide how the loand money is to be spent, state or active participants)! ...

... p.s. watch ... ( 3 weeks ago by prosvjeta)

... p.s. watch zeitgeist addendum! the only thing that is not explained there is: how ineterest suck in the liquidity out of the system (real economy) to the elite which has extremly higher interest-earnings then interest-charges.

1. i understand the ... ( 3 weeks ago by szililolabu)

1. i understand the evils of central banks.
2. I've seen zeitgeist.
3. Central banks are all gov't institutions or government sanctioned institutions, right? They are not the result of free markets. Free markets would result in competing currencies, if one currency were regularly debased to the detriment of the population.
4. Perhaps you were being dramatic by saying "no difference between capitalism and communism". Communism is more oppressive and damaging to more people than capitalism.

Buckminster Fuller ... ( 2 weeks ago by abcrane)

Buckminster Fuller talked/wrote about "livingry" vs. "killingry"--and shifting the economy from war technology to sustainable technology (green homes, green transportation, green fuel etc) Capitalism is an adequate vehicle for both paths, it is up to us to choose "livingry". Communism/Socialism can also be an effective vehicle--but a lot less effective and more oppressive. Consume smart--save the world!

I will add, much of ... ( 2 weeks ago by abcrane)

I will add, much of humanity is "stuck" in a bicameral (split-brain) simpleton consciousness. Their brains cannot process the gray areas and they are prone to "good vs. bad" mentality--and they will always produce imaginary enemies. They exist in all races, ages, genders, and countries. It is "evolutionary jetlag" and we must be patient. Ron Paul has evolved, Bush has not. A bicameral mass has voted in a bicameral leader.

Ron is a wise man, ... ( 1 week ago by 311Transistor311)

Ron is a wise man, which is why I supported him 100%. A shame his wisdom was ignored...

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